Cei care sint evrei (de ex: eu), stiu prea bine ca ...evreii nu sint “eroi” in conotatia grandioasa si falnica a cuvintului. Ei pot fi considerati “eroi”, intr-o alta acceptiune a cuvintului si anume, datorita faptului ca in decursul istoriei nici un alt popor stravechi de milenii, nomad fara de tzara, deloc prea numeros, prigonit in mod brutal si persecutat pe motiv de etnie (si nimic altceva) ..., nu ar fi rezistat si nu ar fi reusit sa supravietuiasca ca neam pina in zilele noastre.
Ori, odata cu aceasta reusita de a supravietui in pofida celor mai crunte intemperii, apar sine qua non si slabiciunile, trapele, pacatele si tentatiile in care s-a complacut neamul evreiesc dintotdeauna si, cu toate ca ...
de fiecare data a platit amarnic pentru aceste slabiciuni, iata ca nu a avut puterea sa se dezbare de ele, si le repeta la infinit, purtindu-si destinul precum Sisif pietroiul.
Din cauza nazuintei caracteristica unui popor nomad, de a fi integrat in diversele societati, neamul evreiesc a cazut de nenumarate ori in capcana de a confunda faptul ca sint “utilizati”, cu betia de a fi “apreciati”, ba chiar iubiti.
Citeva exemple:
Cind prin sec.V vizigotii, cucerind Spania si trezindu-se conducind 8 milioane de catolici de limba latina, i-au folosit pe evreii locali drept mediatori intre ei si majoritatea indigena..., evreii s-au considerat “apreciati” de catre aceste triburi germanice, nicidecum “utilizati”.
Insa cu timpul, ne mai fiind necesara functia de mediator, ... pe parcursul a celor 200 de ani in Spania Vizigota, situatia evreilor s-a deteriorat simtitor, persecutiile si atrocitatile atacind insasi esenta si existenta neamului evreiesc.
Asa se face ca in sec.VIII, evreii din Spania au fost favorabili invaziei musulmane, percepindu-i pe Mauri drept eliberatori de sub crincena persecutie vizigota.
Si iarasi, sub noua ocupatie, la inceput, evreii s-au considerat extrem de “apreciati” si onorati de prestigiul si increderea care li se acorda.
Pe vremea aceea comertul international era in plina inflorire, iar musulmanii erau exclusi de pe pietele Europei, si nici crestinii nu aveau libera trecere prin apele teritoriilor islamice.
Doar evreii puteau circula liber pe mapamond, stabilind relatii comerciale prin toate zonele lumii.
Din cauza istoriei lor complexe, evreii erau capabili sa converseze in ebraica, araba, persana, greaca si in limbile francilor, spaniolilor si a slavilor. Si nu doar despre comert. Cind un nobil musulman sau crestin vizita un doctor evreu, el avea ocazia sa discute nu doar subiecte medicale, ci si filozofice, poetice, lingvistice ...
Si asa se face ca in acea perioada (citeva sute de ani) evreii s-au simtit foarte “apreciati” si de musulmani si de crestini ..., atita timp cit erau “folositori”.
Fireste ca apoi s-au stricat treburile pe ambele fronturi ... intii cu sectele fundamentaliste islamice venite din nordul Africii, iar mai tirziu cu tot felul de inchizitii catolice, pogromuri,expulzari ... si tot asa, poveste
luuunga.
Se stie ca si pe la inceputurile comunismului, ... evreii s-au simtit din nou “apreciati”, primind rol de frunte in implementarea masurilor “nepopulare” (precum colectivizarea, nationalizarea ... etc), ca apoi, dupa
fructuoasa “utilizare” sa fie eliminati pe diverse motive de tradare.
Asa ca ... pe tot parcursul istoriei lor evreii s-au luptat pentru integrarea lor in cadrul societatilor occidentale, uneori ajungindu-se pina la o asa zisa asimilare ...
si totusi, toate cazurile au rezultat pina la urma in respingerea si marginalizarea evreilor.Si cu toate aste lectii usturatoare, evreii NU au invatat de pe urma experientelor.
In continuare ei au confundat si inca mai confunda faptul ca sint “utilizati” cu faptul ca sint “apreciati” si ...,
crezind ca sint acceptati si integrati se implica si incearca sa exceleze in rol de instrumente eficiente in cauze care nu sint in interesul lor, repetind eroarea la infinit ... DE CE , dom'le ???
Probabil ca taman din cauza acestor NON-acceptari, respingeri si marginalizari, toate vechi de cind lumea, insa toate invariabil si implacabil impletite cu necesitatea de a-i utiliza pe evrei datorita calitatilor lor, s-a asigurat mentinerea rigorilor talmudice care au dus la supravietuirea acestui neam.
Exista unele personalitati care, fara a-si propune, chiar si fara sa vrea, prin destinul lor incorporeaza eterna esenta a neamului evreiesc, care ar putea fi definita (in mod simplist, fireste) drept un amalgam intre un soi de eroism tragic si o perpetua batalie interioara intre nevoia de iesire din matrita, de identificare cu mediul cultural local pe de o parte, si obligatia de supravietuire ca etnie, pe de alta.
Pentru mine, un astfel de personaj este chiar mult discutatul M.Sebastian, care prin destinul sau, prin scrierile lui, prin simpatiile lui, prin nazuintele si slabiciunile sale de caracter, dar mai ales, prin Jurnalul sau brut si intim, pe care noi am avut norocul dar si neobrazarea sa-l violam..., nu face nimic altceva decit sa incorporeze aceasta esenta.
Chiar daca pentru nimic altceva, ... tocmai pentru acesta lamurire ne-intentionata dar explicita si la scara umana, noi cei de azi, avem de ce sa-l apreciem pe Sebastian, sa-i fim recunoscatori, iar unii dintre noi, sa-l iubim.
I see the image of sisif’s infinite travail & destiny as representing a universal behaviour pattern which of course one could apply to a people essential behaviour - any people (for example the jewish people)-or to any individual. We know well enough that some things we never learn, cannot help, fall back to and cry from again and again. The fact that we regress to inaccessible places where we are always exposed and afraid, where we cannot learn, cannot love, and cannot help by transforming, repressing, or accepting, seems to be fundamental about human nature. We each come back to those incurable places again and again through the course of life, life which apparently does go through many changes before and after contact with this unchanging. Maybe here we have what philosophy calls becoming and being, or the changing and the changeless, the different and the same; that which cannot by definition reverse or alter but remains as a more or less constant lacuna of character throughout life. The place where we always stumble-as a people, as an individual. On the other hand all the myths and fairy tales tell us that where we stumble that’s where our treasure is. So I think that your observation of one of the recurrent stumbling blocks in the jewish character as you backed it with historical facts is necessary but as a beginning to look for the hidden treasures not to think that they could learn and change it.
I don't know about you, but in my case ..., the abbreviated Greek mythology was among the first books I read as a child, I loved it, I learned it by heart, but I also doubted that Sysiphus could not push the rock over the mountain. My conclusion then was that he just pretended, he simply did not want it to fall over the cliff. What would he do afterwards ? Run after the damn stone ? Why ? Later in life, reading less abbreviated versions of the myth, reading also many interpretations of it by some famous people, I understood of course, that we could read into this story in many many ways. But you know what ? I was still stuck to the interpretation from my childhood. Still am.
I also enjoy the interpretation of Camus. One has a task, no matter if meaningless or not, but that task fills one’s life to the fullest, hence it is becoming life, so one does it. "One must imagine Sisyphus happy." Ia uite ce frumos le zice pre limba lui: "Cet univers désormais sans maître ne lui paraît ni stérile ni fertile. Chacun des grains de cette pierre, chaque éclat minéral de cette montagne pleine de nuit, à lui seul, forme un monde. La lutte elle-même vers les sommets suffit à remplir un cœur d'homme. Il faut imaginer Sisyphe heureux."
I know that Sisyphus can be applied to any people, or to any individual..., but I simply took pleasure in the "sysiphication" proces of some aspects in Jewish history, by juggling the almost siamese concepts of "being used" versus "being loved". I agree with you that this cannot change, nor would I want it to change, for I believe that going again and again and again over a pattern is never the same pattern, as "hidden treasures" are being discovered and added with every new passage ...
yes my answer was to your repetind eroarea la infinit … de ce domnule ?
another example of pattern you were talking about could be that Israel is being used by the western powers and America to control a certain situation in the middle east to keep certain forces at bay – to use Israel as a tool of manipulation to control rich oil region-economics- or perhaps to get rid of traditional forces opposed to a certain western life style (at bottom also economics)
regarding siamese concepts of "being used" versus "being loved" I remembered an interview with James Hillman who says “It's important to ask yourself, "How am I useful to others? What do people want from me?" That may very well reveal what you are here for.” “What we are here for” the task you were talking about – which makes Sisyphus happy.
aaa, but what you probably didn't notice is that when I asked this question: "repetind eroarea la infinit ... DE CE, dom'le ??, I already had an answer to it. My answer, my credo: "Probabil ca taman din cauza acestor NON-acceptari, respingeri si marginalizari, toate vechi de cind lumea, insa toate invariabil si implacabil impletite cu necesitatea de a-i utiliza pe evrei datorita calitatilor lor, s-a asigurat mentinerea rigorilor talmudice care au dus la supravietuirea acestui neam." My answer is implying that there is a reward in pursuing the infinite cycle of inevitable errors ...
NU cred ca se poate translata mitul lui Sisyphus pe statul Israel. Esenta care caracterizeaza STATUL e diferita (intr-un fel chiar opusa) de esenta care caracterizeaza "individul". In opinia mea, un popor nomad, silit sa rataceasca prin diverse tari, nevoit (sau tinzind) sa se identifice cu diversele societati pe linga care alegea sau i se permitea sa se aciuiasca..., poate fi asociat cu "individul", pe cind un STAT nu mai are acest privilegiu. Iar Israel este un stat suveran, precum celelalte state.
Cind e vorba de tari si state suverane, mie nu mi se mai pare firesc sa fac comparatii intre conceptele de "a fi iubit" versus "a fi utilizat", fiindca nu are cum sa existe "iubire" intre tari, relatiile dintre ele fiind in mod necesar guvernate doar de interese ...
So, I do not see why would one extend the Sisyphus myth to the state of Israel (or to any other state). I do not consider that Israel would allow itself to be used as a tool of manipulation by other states, as Israel is known to have its own interests in existing as a country in that region. I also believe that people of Israel belong to the "traditional forces" that define that part of the world. It is their place as well.
I see the image of sisif’s infinite travail & destiny as representing a universal behaviour pattern which of course one could apply to a people essential behaviour - any people (for example the jewish people)-or to any individual.
ReplyDeleteWe know well enough that some things we never learn, cannot help, fall back to and cry from again and again. The fact that we regress to inaccessible places where we are always exposed and afraid, where we cannot learn, cannot love, and cannot help by transforming, repressing, or accepting, seems to be fundamental about human nature. We each come back to those incurable places again and again through the course of life, life which apparently does go through many changes before and after contact with this unchanging.
Maybe here we have what philosophy calls becoming and being, or the changing and the changeless, the different and the same; that which cannot by definition reverse or alter but remains as a more or less constant lacuna of character throughout life. The place where we always stumble-as a people, as an individual. On the other hand all the myths and fairy tales tell us that where we stumble that’s where our treasure is.
So I think that your observation of one of the recurrent stumbling blocks in the jewish character as you backed it with historical facts is necessary but as a beginning to look for the hidden treasures not to think that they could learn and change it.
I don't know about you, but in my case ..., the abbreviated Greek mythology was among the first books I read as a child, I loved it, I learned it by heart, but I also doubted that Sysiphus could not push the rock over the mountain.
ReplyDeleteMy conclusion then was that he just pretended, he simply did not want it to fall over the cliff. What would he do afterwards ? Run after the damn stone ? Why ?
Later in life, reading less abbreviated versions of the myth, reading also many interpretations of it by some famous people, I understood of course, that we could read into this story in many many ways.
But you know what ?
I was still stuck to the interpretation from my childhood. Still am.
I also enjoy the interpretation of Camus. One has a task, no matter if meaningless or not, but that task fills one’s life to the fullest, hence it is becoming life, so one does it. "One must imagine Sisyphus happy."
Ia uite ce frumos le zice pre limba lui:
"Cet univers désormais sans maître ne lui paraît ni stérile ni fertile. Chacun des grains de cette pierre, chaque éclat minéral de cette montagne pleine de nuit, à lui seul, forme un monde. La lutte elle-même vers les sommets suffit à remplir un cœur d'homme.
Il faut imaginer Sisyphe heureux."
I know that Sisyphus can be applied to any people, or to any individual...,
but I simply took pleasure in the "sysiphication" proces of some aspects in Jewish history, by juggling the almost siamese concepts of "being used" versus "being loved".
I agree with you that this cannot change, nor would I want it to change, for I believe that going again and again and again over a pattern is never the same pattern, as "hidden treasures" are being discovered and added with every new passage ...
yes my answer was to your repetind eroarea la infinit … de ce domnule ?
ReplyDeleteanother example of pattern you were talking about could be that Israel is being used by the western powers and America to control a certain situation in the middle east to keep certain forces at bay – to use Israel as a tool of manipulation to control rich oil region-economics- or perhaps to get rid of traditional forces opposed to a certain western life style (at bottom also economics)
regarding siamese concepts of "being used" versus "being loved"
I remembered an interview with James Hillman who says
“It's important to ask yourself, "How am I useful to others? What do people want from me?" That may very well reveal what you are here for.”
“What we are here for” the task you were talking about – which makes Sisyphus happy.
aaa, but what you probably didn't notice is that when I asked this question: "repetind eroarea la infinit ... DE CE, dom'le ??,
ReplyDeleteI already had an answer to it. My answer, my credo:
"Probabil ca taman din cauza acestor NON-acceptari, respingeri si marginalizari, toate vechi de cind lumea, insa toate invariabil si implacabil impletite cu necesitatea de a-i utiliza pe evrei datorita calitatilor lor, s-a asigurat mentinerea rigorilor talmudice care au dus la supravietuirea acestui neam."
My answer is implying that there is a reward in pursuing the infinite cycle of inevitable errors ...
NU cred ca se poate translata mitul lui Sisyphus pe statul Israel. Esenta care caracterizeaza STATUL e diferita (intr-un fel chiar opusa) de esenta care caracterizeaza "individul".
In opinia mea, un popor nomad, silit sa rataceasca prin diverse tari, nevoit (sau tinzind) sa se identifice cu diversele societati pe linga care alegea sau i se permitea sa se aciuiasca...,
poate fi asociat cu "individul", pe cind un STAT nu mai are acest privilegiu. Iar Israel este un stat suveran, precum celelalte state.
Cind e vorba de tari si state suverane, mie nu mi se mai pare firesc sa fac comparatii intre conceptele de "a fi iubit" versus "a fi utilizat",
fiindca nu are cum sa existe "iubire" intre tari, relatiile dintre ele fiind in mod necesar guvernate doar de interese ...
So, I do not see why would one extend the Sisyphus myth to the state of Israel (or to any other state).
I do not consider that Israel would allow itself to be used as a tool of manipulation by other states, as Israel is known to have its own interests in existing as a country in that region.
I also believe that people of Israel belong to the "traditional forces" that define that part of the world. It is their place as well.